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1 freetoken  Nov 7, 2014 7:30:10pm

Even though I think such literacy tests were quite wrong for a supposed democracy, that these Harvard students couldn’t deal with the questions is an indictment of them and their education.

2 KerFuFFler  Nov 7, 2014 8:29:42pm

re: #1 freetoken

Even though I think such literacy tests were quite wrong for a supposed democracy, that these Harvard students couldn’t deal with the questions is an indictment of them and their education.

It is altogether possible that the questions themselves were poorly conceived. It is a major problem in any kind of standardized testing that questions designed to ferret out basic comprehension are often ambiguous for students with sophisticated and nuanced understanding of the matter at hand. I don’t know that that was the case in this example, but unless I reviewed that actual questions used, I would have to remain skeptical about the implications regarding the reading comprehension of college students at an elite institution.

3 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 8, 2014 1:14:55am

re: #2 KerFuFFler

4 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 8, 2014 1:26:32am

Some questions are extremely badly formulated. To wit: “Spell backwards, forwards”. Should the word “backwards” be spelled (how does it work on paper?) forwards, i.e. written as it is? Or something…

5 Eigth Immortal  Nov 8, 2014 6:30:23am

Those literacy tests were designed to be unpassable. Hence the Grandfather Clauses to let poor whites vote.

6 Lumberhead  Nov 8, 2014 7:00:21am

re: #2 KerFuFFler

It is altogether possible that the questions themselves were poorly conceived. It is a major problem in any kind of standardized testing that questions designed to ferret out basic comprehension are often ambiguous for students with sophisticated and nuanced understanding of the matter at hand. I don’t know that that was the case in this example, but unless I reviewed that actual questions used, I would have to remain skeptical about the implications regarding the reading comprehension of college students at an elite institution.

I don’t believe the questions were poorly conceived. They were specifically designed to make as many people fail as possible. They were designed to be confusing. The goal was not to ferret out basic comprehension. The goal was to keep most blacks and poor whites from voting.

7 Lumberhead  Nov 8, 2014 7:01:04am

re: #3 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Thank you for posting the actual test.

8 Lumberhead  Nov 8, 2014 7:08:11am

re: #4 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Some questions are extremely badly formulated. To wit: “Spell backwards, forwards”. Should the word “backwards” be spelled (how does it work on paper?) forwards, i.e. written as it is? Or something…

A prospective voter had approximately 20 seconds per question. One wrong answer disqualified them from voting. It’s more than possible that the smartest person could get one wrong from misunderstanding the questions when time is so constrained.

9 Lumberhead  Nov 8, 2014 7:10:49am

re: #5 Eigth Immortal

Those literacy tests were designed to be unpassable. Hence the Grandfather Clauses to let poor whites vote.

I forgot about the use of grandfather clauses and allowed for the fig leaf that might not make it seem completely racial.

10 Lumberhead  Nov 8, 2014 7:17:06am

re: #1 freetoken

Even though I think such literacy tests were quite wrong for a supposed democracy, that these Harvard students couldn’t deal with the questions is an indictment of them and their education.

I understand the point you’re making but I think that it rests on an unfair view of the video. It wasn’t as if the students were part of an experiment and didn’t know where the questions were coming from. In a normal test setting they probably would have done just fine. Even if they didn’t get every question correct, a luxury the original takers didn’t have. I think the makers of the video were showing that some of the questions were purposefully so confusing so that even a Harvard student might fumble those questions.

11 Skip Intro  Nov 8, 2014 12:47:07pm

Notice the trick question #25. I doubt anyone would pass this thing.


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